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| Where to place LSSJ in the Super Sayian Scale? | |
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| BioBroly288 | Jun 24 2016, 01:21 AM Post #1 |
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When people discuss LSSJ they usually say it's either stronger, as strong or some times even weaker than SSJ2 with out really basing it on much. As for me i always had the LSSJ form being drastically different and in a class of it's own as i believe it's a form that can continuously evolve in power and break "SSJ/Tier Barriers" (So to say) with training or Zenkais. IDK, as for me i don't place LSSJ in the SSJ Scale, as i felt it really shouldn't be in there. Do you agree with this or do you still stand with this scale Pseudo Super Sayian Super Sayian Super Sayian Grade 2 (ASSJ) Super Sayian Grade 3 (USSJ) Super Sayian Grade 4 (MSSJ) Super Sayian 2>=<Legendary Super Sayian Super Sayian 3 Super Sayian 4><The God Forms (Never really knew which was stronger) Edited by BioBroly288, Jun 24 2016, 02:54 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jun 24 2016, 01:29 AM Post #2 |
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It's equal to Super Saiyan 2 IMO, but it has the advantage of never running out of energy, from the looks of things.
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| + Son-Goku | Jun 24 2016, 01:58 AM Post #3 |
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Yeah the way I've seen it is it's a Super Saiyan 2 tier. This is kind of how I have things with multiplication boosts included. Super Saiyan- x50 Legendary Super Saiyan- x200 Super Saiyan 2- x200 Legendary Super Saiyan 2- x400 Super Saiyan 3- x400 Legendary Super Saiyan 3- x600 |
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| Notaka | Jun 24 2016, 02:03 AM Post #4 |
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Eh, I kind of have it stronger than USSJ but weaker than SSJ2. Bear in mind that I have SSJ2 3x stronger than SSJ, not the 2x multiplier the SEG provided: Super Saiyan:50x Base Super Saiyan 2:150x Base. Ascended Super Saiyan(Assj): 1.5x Super Saiyan, so x75 Base. Ultra Super Saiyan(USSJ):2x Super Saiyan => x100 Base. Legendary Super Saiyan:2.5x Super Saiyan => x125 Base. |
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| ekrolo2 | Jun 24 2016, 02:04 AM Post #5 |
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I usually put it on the same level as Grade 3 with no speed or stamina issues. Nearly SS2 tier but not quite there. |
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| Fearless Saiyajin | Jun 24 2016, 02:56 AM Post #6 |
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More like SSG3 to me. |
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| BioBroly288 | Jun 24 2016, 03:11 AM Post #7 |
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How so. He fought 2 Grade 2s and 2 Mastered Super Sayians (Which is above Grade 3 in the scale) and a S.Namek and dominated and tanked everything the Whole Fight and while this was M8. Again i don't believe in placing the LSSJ form in the Super Sayian Scale from what i stated but i would like to know why you would believe that. |
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| + Kaboom | Jun 24 2016, 05:59 AM Post #8 |
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In my eyes, the Legendary Super Saiyan form is just Broli's own version of SS Grade 3, which forms naturally because he has a crap-ton of excess "beyond Super Saiyan" power that starts surging out of control when he fights unrestricted, but he hasn't done the required body-tempering training to use it properly like Goku and company. So it just naturally spills over into a freakish version of Grade 3 where Broli's almost stuck in a perpetually powering-up state. He doesn't suffer a significant speed loss because he's already a really tall dude and also somehow gains another like 2 feet when he transforms, which makes up for the muscle bulk. So basically, Broli's LSS form is a mutated Grade 3 that comes from him pretty much just having too much power for his own body to handle. Also, I don't think Broli has "infinite energy" or anything like the Androids do... It's rather that since he's usually easily beating up on people much weaker than him, his body is just generating and replenishing his power faster than he's using it. Which is why he had to stop and expel some energy in Movie 8, so it wouldn't overload and start hurting him. Gohan was a somewhat better match for him in Movie 11, so he didn't need to repeat that. If he fought someone actually stronger than him who was seriously laying down the hurt at a good rate, then Broli would get battered and lose power like anyone else. Edited by Kaboom, Jun 24 2016, 06:05 AM.
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| BioBroly288 | Jun 24 2016, 03:39 PM Post #9 |
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You do have to remember that Broly got much more powerful in M10. What i mean by this is imagine being for say someone as strong as Raditz with the amount of ki of lets say Sayian Saga Vegeta, His body wouldnt be able to hold that energy. In M10 I feel like the duration that Broly needed to expel energy time cap has increased a ton as he has a stronger body to support it. Also the line "my Ki is rising, overflowing" without him even powering up and actually using ki based attacks plain on supports that his Ki is constantly generating. Broly is actually faster in LSSJ than in even Super Sayian, He never Suffered a speed loss in this form he was Tagging everybody, effortlessly dodging attacks and Caught up to Gohan in seconds when the latter tried to leave the battlefield. I've heard this "Mutated Grade 3" theory alot, Though i don't agree with it (As all it's going by really is that 2 of the forms look identical), it's still interesting one though but I really doubt the creators would Make LSSJ based on it in all honesty, All the traits in that form are completely opposite to each other if you really want to look at it, LSSJ gains a speed boost, While USSJ slower than even SSJ, USSJ loses tons of energy while LSSJ gains, Also theres things like his durability, It's just weird to base that form off a single branch state when it comes off more as an evolution. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 24 2016, 08:47 PM Post #10 |
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Kaboom is correct. It's never stated anywhere official that LSSj has unlimited ki that constantly regenerates. King Piccolo also stated that his ki was "overflowing" in DB, and no one ever considers him to have constantly rising ki. Why should we consider Broly to have it? In movie 10, I have him around SSj2 Goku/Majin Vegeta tier considering how easily he was able to stomp Gohan. And he never shows anywhere near the power of SSj3. And to put it into perspective, I just consider LSSj as Broly's version of SSj2. Other than it looking like roid-rage embodied, there's really nothing special about it. |
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| BioBroly288 | Jun 24 2016, 11:17 PM Post #11 |
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If i remember correctly King Piccolo said he has infinite power and boasted that he was "somewhere between invincible and immortal". Difference is Broly said it not to boast and had to exert alot of Ki as broly was in actual discomfort of the pool of energy he accumulated. Also the Daizenshuu also said the Legendary form was a form with "Bottomless power" however you want to intrepid that. I don't think anyone here said Broly showcased SSJ3 Power what i did say though was that i think the LSSJ form is a form in which if trained can surpass other evolutions as his jump from his M8 Power to M10 Power with a zenkai was probably the most impressive of what was shown in the series. As for M10 Brolys power, i have him at Good Buu lvl. Edited by BioBroly288, Jun 24 2016, 11:18 PM.
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| Griffzilla | Jun 25 2016, 04:31 AM Post #12 |
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I have him around ssj2 tier. He basically one shots everyone in M8. Had Piccolo not showed up with senzu beans, everyone would have been dead in the first few minutes of the fight. Same with Gohan in M10. Gohan was able to stop Broly's momentum in the second movie but was still drastically out classed. I am of the opinion that Gohan was ssj2 in M10 as well. I'd give him the slight power edge over ssj2 Vegeta and Goku but not by much. Certainly nowhere near Fat Buu or ssj3 Goku. Some people look at the lssj form as his version of assj, or grade 3. I don't. I see it as his mutated ssj2. The reason why I say this is because he didn't just power up and get bigger like the others but he actually transformed. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Jun 25 2016, 01:46 PM Post #13 |
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Daizenshuu 6 it states "bottomless power", but we know for a fact that it's not because he was defeated by a super charged Goku in movie 8. And power and ki aren't the same thing. By essence, the Androids have the same endless ki feature that Broly is assumed to have, yet they're not infinitely powerful. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jun 25 2016, 02:02 PM.
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| BioBroly288 | Jun 25 2016, 04:26 PM Post #14 |
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The androids have an infinite Ki source, meaning they can use it when ever they want with out the fear of running out, Broly has constant ki generating which in a sense means he has infinite ki but unlike the androids he has to exert ki when ever to much ki is accumulated. |
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| + Sandy Shore | Jun 25 2016, 05:11 PM Post #15 |
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The eighth film makes it seem as though it's Broli's version of the Super Saiyan form, and it far outclasses it, as you'd expect. But, since the tenth film decided he can turn regular Super Saiyan, too, it could only really be looked at as his Super Saiyan 2. It wouldn't make sense for it to be Grade 3, because that means he could still turn regular Super Saiyan 2, and his "legendary" form would be rendered fully pointless as it's inferior in the chain. Not at all what the name implies. Also, everything else he appears in treats his next transformation as Super Saiyan 3, so Legendary Super Saiyan seems to be occupying the second slot. BioBroly288: the 'i' comes before the 'y' in 'Saiyan'. |
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